Today I discussed the topic of “white genocide”, both globally and exclusive to South Africa, with Professor Gregory Stanton – founder of the non-profit organization known as “Genocide Watch”.

I called not expecting to be taken to him directly, but was elated that it happened that way. I introduced myself as being a spokesman on behalf of Steel Owls with my real name, and inquired about a prior email I sent, to which he replied with what would be expected: He’s busy and gets about 200 emails a day, to which he tries to reply, but sometimes fails to do so. I asked him whether or not we should continue our conversation via email or phone, and he said phone would be best.

So, first thing’s first, I asked what he thought about a global “white genocide”. His response:

“Oh my God.”

Needless to say, Professor Stanton has heard of the conspiracy theory, and wholeheartedly disagrees with it.

Now, bearing in mind, he has no idea who Bob Whitaker is and is unfamiliar with BUGS, he does have a central idea of what the topic entails: miscegenation and mass immigration into Europe, America, Canada and Australia. He seemed to be more familiar with David Duke’s take on it, which isn’t surprising. When I asked to comment on David Duke, here was Professor Stanton’s response:

Professor Stanton: “I’m very familiar with Mr. Duke. He’s a total narcissist. In fact, we’re already in the process of suing him because he used the Genocide Watch logo in the background of one of his images, and that’s copyrighted material. I sent him an email about it, to which he essentially said "Fuck you, see you in court”. We could definitely win that case, but he would probably turn it into a PR stunt and gather attention to himself, and I don’t want to do that.“

Reasonable enough. He directed me to a project that he participated in which involved the dismantling of a group called the Aryan Nations, to which he commented:

Professor Stanton: "I actually took a walk where their headquarters used to be, which is now covered over in trees and houses only the deer and antelope, not any white supremacists.”

Concerning South Africa, Professor Stanton has this to say:

Professor Stanton: “I have no idea why it’s circulating that there is a genocide in South Africa when I’ve made it very clear in my speeches that it is not a genocide yet. It’s in Stage 5, which is polarization. The murder rate of white farmers is about three times the average murder rate, and that’s bad enough, but I have never said it’s a genocide. In fact, I don’t think it’s even going to get to that.

"The only way it would ever get to that point is if South Africa were to be brought under Communism again.”

Me: “But considering the progress that’s been made in separating the practices in South Africa from the practices of the ANC, that would probably be a step back.”

Professor Stanton: “Yes and that’s exactly why I believe it will not become a genocide. But then, people take what I say about the possibility of a genocide, its early stages in South Africa, and they project it as evidence for the rest of the world, as if all white people in the world are being targeted, and that’s just not happening.”

Me: “So you disagree with the statement that a global genocide of white people is being achieved by means of mass immigration and intermarriage?”

Professor Stanton: “Of course I do. It’s insane. People seem to think, you know, that black people are starting to rebel against whites for past grievances, especially in South Africa, but it’s not happening. It’d be something like when the Sioux in America tried to take back America. They had every reason to say it – I mean, look at our history with the genocide of Native Americans – but it’s absolutely ridiculous.”

He then proceeded to tell me a nice story about him with his two Cambodian children visiting a beautiful beach in South Africa that was no longer racially separated under apartheid, and said it was amazing, and that all races were there.

Professor Stanton: “White supremacists always like to use my statements regarding the inhumane acts taking place in South Africa as evidence that apartheid South Africa was better. Having been to South Africa during apartheid, I can easily say no it’s not. I saw the vast shanty towns. I had to go through the checkpoints. I saw the deplorable conditions of people under racial division. It was like stepping into another country when you went there.”

Me: “You could say it’s identical to what happened in Rwanda – the Belgians had to establish a racial hierarchy where there didn’t need to be one, and soon we had ethnic division, and eventually genocide.”

Professor Stanton: “That’s exactly what it is, and you know, the Aryan and white supremacist groups use this tactic all the time. It’s exactly the same, and it’s what caused this huge racial tension in South Africa. This whole white genocide thing going around is no different – neo-Nazis trying to divide people and establish a race hierarchy. That’s when you get the neo-Nazis talking about how they sing "kill the Boers”. Well, what do you expect when you try to divide people?“

Me: "So you support it?”

Professor Stanton: “No, no, of course not, but you have to expect it you know? That’s what happens when you split people up like that. It was a national song of resistance, and it became the icon of white supremacists’ pro-apartheid sentiments for South Africa.”

Me: “So they compare apartheid South Africa to post-apartheid, and say: ‘Hey at least it’s not this’, and that makes it better.”

Professor Stanton: “Exactly, but as I said, having been to apartheid South Africa, I can easily tell you it wasn’t better. The conditions of life in South Africa for all groups has significantly improved, and as for the global white genocide, I’d say the same thing. We whites live pretty damn well, hahaha.”

He directed me to a book by a friend of his, Eric Weitz, on the history of racism. Needless to say, he believes the people creating conspiracy theories about “white genocide” are neo-Nazis and white supremacists. Not surprising.

He also said to be on the look out for a new book he’ll be publishing for high school education, called “The Ten Stages of Genocide”. Yes, that’s ten stages, not eight or seven. This is even more of a surprising twist than when he changed it from seven to eight. He spoke on it:

Professor Stanton: “When I first changed it to the 8 Stages of Genocide, I checked Google and it had over 400,000 hits. I was amazed.”

Me: “Well, the stages of genocide has become almost like the linchpin of this new genocide argument, which has a wide audience, as well as for scholars studying genocide globally.”

Professor Stanton: “Hahaha, it has. In fact, I was talking to a Jewish friend of mine in Israel who also studies genocide, and he told me not to change it, because it was 'iconic’. I told him "Sorry, I’m not Eastern Orthodox, I don’t believe in icons’. If it’s more specific, I told him, then I’m gonna do it.”

Interesting indeed. Stanton also spoke on a potential event coming up in South Africa – an all-racial rock concert. He said he dreams of this happening, and can definitely make it happen, but whether or not he can make it happen by his next visit in December remains to be seen. Let’s all hope.

I’m in contact with Professor Stanton still, and we’ll be scheduling a full and detailed discussion on the topics of both a universal white genocide and specifically the early stages of genocide present in South Africa. We’ll see if that happens. In the mean time, when given the opportunity, Stanton is preparing a detailed statement regarding the topic of “white genocide” and I will post it in the near future if he delivers.

Keep your feathers fluffed.

- Sam Owl